Saturday, April 22, 2017

The Plots Against Syria & Venezuela

          The Plots Against Syria and Venezuela

   The empire is on the rampage across the planet. World War 4 is intensifying with disastrous results for the world. The US has expanded it's aggression against so many countries at once that is hard to keep up. North Korea is under threat of an unprovoked attack. However North Korea is prepared to defend itself and Trump will probably be forced to back down. In fact he already has made a fool of himself with his ghost armada. In Afghanistan he dropped a MOAB bomb on Torah Bora suffocating and incinerating untold numbers of Afghanis. In fact he plans another pointless surge in Afghanistan when everyone knows the war is lost. Yemen which has already known untold suffering in the 2 year long war will now suffer even more as the US expands it's role in the conflict attempting to rescue the genocidal Saudi royals from a humiliating defeat at the hands of Yemen's people. The US is expanding it's decades long war on Somalia. In Ecuador the US is trying to undermine the election of Lenin Moreno. NATO is cementing it's ties to the fanatical bloodthirsty royals of the GCC countries (the saudis, qataris, and other tyrants) thru the NATO-Istanbul cooperation Initiative which means NATO and Al Qaeda are basically officially allied as if it wasn't already obvious after the horrifying wars on Libya and Syria. In other words Trump is massively expanding every dirty war and destabilization campaign the Empire is involved in and doubtless in future months we will learn of countries now peaceful being thrown into chaos as a result of CIA/NED operations now being launched of which we have no idea. We can only hope that Russia and China are working on some plans of their own. For now however I must focus on the two countries which are among the most important fronts in World War 4 Syria and Venezuela. Thankfully the initial attack on Syria was far from the all out war I feared. Brave soldiers and civilians were killed but the Syrians were able to get the air base back online the next day. However it sets a dangerous precedent for the US to attack Syria whenever the NATO death squads are loosing some battle. In Venezuela there is yet another attempt to overthrow the government and install US puppets. The Fascist opposition in Venezuela have been rioting revealing their true character with the evil and stupidity of their antics. However the people of Venezuela have taken to the streets to oppose the latest plots against their country.

   We'll probably never know what actually happened behind the scenes but instead of launching an all out regime change assault on Syria Trump merely did openly what the US has been doing "accidentally" since it began bombing Syria he targeted the SAA and doubtless their Russian and Iranian allies at Shayrat airbase which the Syrian Arab Air force was using to support the SAA's victorious counter-offensive in the battle of Hama and in it's attacks on ISIS controlled areas. It was also of course the same base from which allegedly Syria shot down an Israeli jet which was openly serving as ISIS air force. The rumor is that using electronic warfare Russia was able to disable more then half the Tomahawks. Only 23 of 59 hit their targets. It is unclear how many were killed as Syria attempted to portray the effects as minimal in order to avoid boosting enemy morale. Regardless of the damage the strikes have had little effect on the course of the war. The SAA is advancing victoriously across the country although NATO's terrorist death squads are also launching fierce counter-offensives they made only temporary gains that were quickly reversed. Once again Syria has proved itself the most heroic country on the planet. In the face of Trump's treachery, the endless lies of the mainstream media and genocidal "Human Rights" groups, the threats of the US and NATO, and attacks by the US and Israel they refuse to lose heart or to stop even for a single day their war to liberate their country from the terrorist death squads.

    These monsters whom the west calls moderates sunk to a new level of infamy last week with their murder of over 200 people of whom 116 were children. We will never forget the horrible massacre at Rashideen. The people killed were refugees from the towns of Foua and Karfaya  who have suffered one of the most tragic sieges of the war. I learned of them at the same time as I learned of the work of the courageous Eva Bartlett back in 2015. Her articles were both horrifying and heartbreaking. Often lacking food, electricity, clean water, or Medicine they were being continually bombarded by death squads who fired rockets, artillery and "Hell Cannons" Fuel canisters turned into fire bombs. Families watched as their loved ones died because of lack of medicine. Children starved to death or were killed by terrorists. Yet their plight was of course completely ignored by the propagandists in the mainstream media. Since then their ordeal has continued shelling hunger and being forced to repel constant attacks. Finally a deal was struck to evacuate them to safety in the same way as the Syrian government has allowed the terrorists to flee unharmed with their lives and families. But the terrorists of course cannot be trusted to show similar mercy to their victims. Instead they decided to murder the children of the refugees. First they held the refugees captive on the buses for two days. Then a car drove up offering to give away food to the starving passengers. As the children gathered around to collect bags of potato chips the NATO death squads detonated a bomb killing over 200 people 115 of them children. The poor refugees of Foua and Karfaya were not even allowed to keep the corpses of their murdered children but were forced to watch as the terrorists and some turkish ambulances collected and then drove off with their children's corpses. It is hard even to find words to describe the monstrous depravity of this crime which is on the hands not just of the terrorists but their US-NATO-GCC-Israel backers and above all on the western media who the terrorists knew could be counted on to completely ignore their many crimes. Thankfully heroic independent journalist Vanessa Beeley was there to further investigate and expose this terrible tragedy which was caught on film. We must never forget the horrifying massacre of Rashideen.

    Although Trump's missile strikes have failed to shift the balance of the war far more menacing are his plans to invade and occupy Syria which are ever expanding. The Pentagon is now talking about sending 50,000 troops to invade an occupy Syria. In addition to the massive territory the US is occupying in northern Syria using the kurds as a front, the US now plans to do the same for the Wahhabi death squads in the south and the East. The US, the Jordanian army, and their terrorist allies have launched an invasion from the south. The US also sent helicopters to land an Invading US army to the east of Deir Ezzor the Heroic Syrian city that has been surrounded by ISIS for years and has refused to surrender. Clearly the US plans to seize as much Syrian territory as possible so it will have a base to endlessly wage war on Syria. The US plans to create a terrorist proxy state in Eastern Syria. In reality it will be a US approved version of ISIS that will be given a huge swath of territory under US protection. As a reward for the many horrific crimes they have committed, murder, looting, rape, slavery, destruction of Syria's heritage, destruction of hospitals, schools, food storage, electric facilities, poisoning water, Suicide bombings, hell cannons, Mutilation torture and genocide the NATO backed rebels will be given their own state guarded by american troops. People who blow up busloads of children will be rewarded for their crimes with their own american puppet state. This possibility is too sickening to contemplate but the Trump administration is moving with lightning speed to insure that this plan is carried out creating yet another terrorist proxy army the "Eastern Shield" whose ranks are sure to swell with "former" ISIS members and other terrorists fighting alongside US Marines. It's another planned disaster for the empire of chaos. Death, destruction, Chaos will be the inevitable results of this insane policy. With typical 21st century insanity this scheme is called "Safe Zones."

   In Venezuela yet another coup scheme is under way. Syria appears to be the blueprint for what they have planned for Venezuela. Simply label terrorism as peaceful protests and use the chaos as an excuse to intervene. Instead of Al Qaeda however the foot soldiers are the fascist fifth column the US has spent nearly 20 years funding and training. They hope to create as much death and destruction as possible in the hopes it can be blamed on the Venezuelan Government and be used to trigger an intervention. In fact the fascist "opposition"  has been flying to Washington DC plotting their coup quite openly. They hope to install a puppet regime with the aid of US troops composed of Venezuela's old corrupt politicians. These would impose the same unpopular neo-liberal austerity measures carried out in Brazil and Argentina after their soft coups against the wishes of the public who are brutally repressed. Thankfully the CIA created opposition who were foolishly elected to the national assembly a year and a half ago have since discredited themselves. At the same time since those elections the failure of the government to cope with the economic war inspired the grass roots Bolivarian movement the people not the politicians to come up with their own solutions. Visitors to Venezuela now claim that the worst is over and that things are once again improving. It is the ultimate revenge of Hugo Chavez even from the grave he was able to inspire the Venezuelan people to put his ideas into practice.

   This is precisely what has inspired the rage in the fascist opposition and their CIA backers. Of course racist billionaire emperor Trump hates the Bolivarian Socialist Republic of Venezuela as do his drug dealing cuban terrorist friends in brigade 2506. Doubtless he okayed this new coup scheme. Thus like the bombing of the buses in the Massacre at Rashideen by terrorists emboldened by Trump's cruise missile strikes the crimes of the fascist opposition are also the result of his criminal policies. Thankfully for the people of Venezuela the rich fascists are amateurs compared to the "moderate rebels" but their intent is no less monstrous. A woman is on her way from work suddenly a frozen bottle of water tossed out of a window high up in an apartment complex by a Venezuelan fascist comes crashing down onto her head. As I write she is still in the hospital in critical condition. The incident demonstrates the total contempt for ordinary Venezuelans that the fascist opposition shows. It was the result of calls by opposition politicians for attacks on Chavista protestors calling for turning flower pots into weapons  although the woman was merely heading to work.  In another incident 4 fascists attacked a Venezuelan police officer who had fallen off his motorcycle they ripped out 4 of his teeth as a macabre form of torture. They have engaged in a campaign of looting arson and terror.

   The most memorable incident proving their total depravity was an attack on a maternity hospital full of newborns and their mothers. They were forced to evacuate the hospital when a mob of fascists began throwing rocks and glass then set a huge trash fire to try and smoke them out. Long ago near the beginning of World War 4 the Kuwaiti ambassadors daughter coached by the Hill and Knowlton PR firm pretended to be a nurse who had witnessed savage Iraqi soldiers stealing incubators from helpless babies. This completely fabricated story was used as an excuse to launch a war followed by sanctions that killed half a million Iraqi children. Now the US is funding an Opposition group that is doing almost exactly the same thing as the Iraqi's were accused of. Many of the children needed help breathing but were forced to flee. Even the Iraqis were not accused of setting fires aimed at killing the newborns the way Venezuela's fascist opposition have done. Of course the US state department will instead Condemn the Maduro government demanding they give free reign to the fascists in the hopes of a Maidan style coup. Venezuela has already been warned not to interfere with their rights to attack women and children or to perform amateur dental torture on unwilling victims. The attack on the Maternity Hospital is the latest example of the fascist opposition which hates the ordinary people of Venezuela so much that it attempts to destroy every program aimed to improve their lives whether hospitals aiming to heal or subsidized stores intending to provide affordable food.If allowed to continue they would happily wreak the same misery on Venezuela as the NATO death death squads have inflicted on Syria.

   Thankfully neither the Maduro Government nor the Venezuelan people will allow these fascist scum to seize control of their country. Hundreds of thousands of Venezuelans held Anti-Imperialist marches demanding an end to outside interference in their country. To discourage an Invasion Maduro plans to massively expand the armed civilian militia from 100,000 to 500,000. Thus if the US and it's allies should ever invade the Venezuelan people are prepared to fight for however long it takes to liberate their country and perhaps the entire continent. At the same time the Government is prepared to defend Venezuela. They have instituted Plan Zamora a massive drill aimed at readying their defenses. They have already arrested a Colombian Death squad planning to carry out an assassination campaign under cover of the fascist riots. They also foiled a military coup attempt and arrested a ringleader. Thus we have reason to hope that this latest coup attempt will fail like all the others. However the empire of chaos will never stop trying to destroy Venezuela. A dozen people have already died during this latest coup attempt.

    The Struggle continues. World War 4 is heating up. The future seems bleak. Yet we can draw inspiration from the heroic spirit of the peoples of Syria and Venezuela. No matter what they have suffered they simply refuse to give up. This determination to struggle on no matter the odds or how long it takes is the only thing that has ever been able to defeat the empire as the peoples of Vietnam and Korea have shown in the past. The whole world is in deadly danger and every single one of us must rise to the occasion if there is to be any hope for a future. The bright dream of Venezuela that we can build a better world and the grim determination of Syria never to surrender are an inspiration to the world.


Vanessa Beeley on one of the greatest war crimes in recent memory the massacre at Rashideen

Pepe Escobar on Mad Emperor Trump's War on the world

Tony Cartalucci on the US Plan B for Syria Stealing Massive amounts of Syrian Land to Create a "Safe Zone" for Al Qaeda and the US Kurdish Mercenaries

The Latest news from Syrian Perspective

Fascist Attack on a Maternity Ward in Venezuela

The Fascist coup plot in Venezuela

The Latest Incidents in the fascist terror campaign in Venezuela

Thursday, April 6, 2017

Syria Under Attack

   Syria Under Attack

   The world is spinning dangerously out of control. Syria is in deadly danger. The world could be on the brink of Nuclear War. In other words everything is going as planned for the empire of chaos and it's sinister controlling brain the CIA and a host of interlocking agencies and private corporations, lying media, genocidal humanitarians, thieving bankers, crooked politicians. The Deep state which is only a part of transnational network an interlocking web of spies, despots, global looters. Their world is not our world despite their billions of dollars they are never satisfied unless they are causing untold suffering. How many Hundreds of millions have died for the sake of the planets small ruling elite there is no way to find out because they own the media, the universities, and human rights groups who are nothing more then intelligence fronts providing cutouts for monstrous propaganda. The whole world is built on lies, greed, murder, cowardice. And of course at it's heart a great madness an unspeakable evil.

   There are not enough tears in the world to mourn the mindless destruction wrought by imperialism upon the planet for centuries. The conquest of the Americas, Australia, Africa, and Asia untold millions perishing century after century. World war Zero as I call it. And before that there was World War C the crusades which also lasted centuries and involved untold suffering. And before that the crusaders barbarian ancestors had descended upon the classical world destroying roman civilization and bringing on a dark age (World War B?) . And of course rome itself wrought untold destruction and misery upon the world as did the greeks before them. This is the west that sees itself as the beacon of virtue in the world. It burns our libraries and calls us ignorant destroys our cities and calls us savages without history. Just how many more centuries of genocide and slavery do you think the world will tolerate before it gives up hoping the west will change and decides to take it's awful revenge? As for me with Syria on the brink of destruction my patience has already run out and I would rather see America and Europe in burning radioactive ruins then see the US-NATO-GCC-Israel succeed in destroying Syria based on these Transparent lies about chemical weapons. Luckily for the world I doubt Russia feels the same way but I guarantee that if instead of pursuing their idiotic "clever plans" they had more resolutely defended  Syria the US would back down because there is no real necessity to destroy Syria. All the countries the US destroyed simply because it is ruled by people who have nothing better to do then endlessly scheme to destroy country after country. It is all a game to people in their air conditioned offices while in Iraq, Libya, Yemen, Syria, Rwanda, DRCongo, Ukraine, Somalia, Sudan, Palestine, Afghanistan, Colombia, Mexico, Venezuela, North Korea It is like the apocalypse to name only some of the places where  the US is currently waging wars or plotting to overthrow governments.

   Syria has already known untold suffering 350,000 people have been killed and millions have become refugees. The terrorists have targeted schools, churches, mosques, hospitals, power plants, the water supply, the food supply and have even turned the air to poison with their chemical weapons attacks. They have stolen, they have raped, they have killed, destroyed priceless cultural artifacts, taken slaves, tortured and above all lied shamelessly. We've of course been thru all this before back in 2013 when the "Rebels" launched 2 major chemical weapons attacks plus around a dozen small ones in the hopes of bringing NATO's air force into the war. That campaign was cancelled but in 2014 NATO began bombing anyways supposedly to fight ISIS a group that is only powerful because it was funded and trained by the west. They were trained by the US military during the "surge" which is why they are able to operate the equipment they "captured" during the phony takeover of Mosul in 2014 in which the Iraqi army was actually paid off not to put up any resistance. In any case the Chemical weapons attacks of 2013 were proven to be the work of the rebels but the media kept lying about it anyway so that in the popular imagination of people who are barely paying attention people still believe the myth that the Syrian government was responsible. Now the rebels have launched another chemical weapons attack killing 58 people 11 of them children. Their deaths are on the hands of the media who by serving as cheap propagandists rather then journalists have created a climate in which the terrorists knew they could get away with the same scam.

   Of course behind both the media and the terrorists one sees the hand of the CIA which is why the media were able so quickly to launch this massive propaganda campaign aiming to push NATO into destroying Syria before the lies can be exposed. It is all part of a coordinated campaign now we know why Vitaly Churkin and other Russian Diplomats were assassinated. The Moscow bombing the day before the chemical weapons attack was another element of this coordinated plan. The American invasion trump has authorized which hopes to use the kurds as a front to seize the rich agricultural lands of northern Syria was another element of the plan. So too is the anti-Russian Hysteria which has allowed the removal of people in the Trump administration who might have opposed this scheme. As for Trump himself his whole Pro-Russia, pro-Syria stance was in my view merely meant to lull them into a false sense of security for some grand betrayal as his invasion of Syria had already shown before this chemical weapons attack even occurred.  Unfortunately as I write the future is unclear war could be launched at any moment. Syria the most heroic land on the planet faces destruction but we should not give up hope yet. In fact we should never give up hope so long as the people of Syria exist they will resist. Even if Syria is destroyed they will fight on like the people of Libya are doing right now. Every single one of us must do all we can to support them. Please help spread the truth about the war in Syria.

   Since the future is so uncertain I will now discuss what I had Originally planned to write about before this catastrophe occurred. The latest victories of the Syrian Arab Army above all the Liberation of Palmyra from ISIS, the massive terrorist counter-attack in Hama, and the successful Syrian counter offensive. First though there are a couple of other stories I'd like to deal with briefly. Scandal rocked Canada when the western policy of ignoring the fascists in Ukraine reached it's logical conclusion. It was revealed that Canada's Foreign Minister Chrystia Freeland doubtless appointed to please Canada's powerful Ukraine Lobby was the Grand-Daughter of the Ukrainian fascist and Nazi Collaborator Mikhailo Chomiak. Freeland was inspired by her grandfather to pursue a career in journalism and I wonder how many other journalists and politicians  are also the children and the grandchildren of Fascist war criminals recruited by western intelligence who often became influential in politics and the media. As for Chrystia Freeland she tried to cover it up by claiming the whole thing was Russian propaganda. Meanwhile in Ukraine the war is still escalating.

   Venezuela a symbol of hope to the world is again under siege the US is trying to use the OAS to threaten a war on the country and delegitimize the government. Tensions are running so high that the supreme court decided to dismiss the traitorous national assembly who are backed by the CIA and who's only goal is the destruction of the Bolivarian Socialist Republic of Venezuela. However under pressure from President Nicolas Maduro who feared the move could be used as a pretext for outside intervention, the Supreme Court quickly reversed their decision. I'll have to return to the topic of Venezuela in the future however as today I am simply to enraged by the prospect of a war on Syria to do the topic justice. However while all eyes are on Syria we cannot forget the deadly danger Venezuela is also in. North Korea is also under threat with rumors of a potential war and open talk of assassination plots. The heroic people of North Korea were the first in history to stop the American empire and are one of the last outposts of Communism on the planet. In Yemen a million protestors gathered to oppose the genocidal war on their nation waged by the Saudi's with NATO trying to hide it's huge role in the shadows. They are attempting to starve a nation into submission thousands of children have starved to death and millions go hungry. In Libya protestors demanding the release of political prisoners were massacred by NATO death squads but no one noticed no one cared. Yet the whole war on Libya was begun based on lies about protecting unarmed protestors by bombing the country to smithereens. These were only some of the Horrors that took place during World War 4 in past weeks.

    Whatever the fate of Syria we will never forget the heroism her people showed in this war. The speed with which the ancient city of Palmyra was liberated was yet another glorious example. In Hard fought battles and with the help of Russian airstrikes, and their allies in Hezbollah the SAA managed to recapture the heights around the city forcing ISIS to flee after suffering massive casualties. Syria's enemies were furious Israel bombed the SAA in revenge another element in the current plan to destroy Syria Israel has intensified it's attacks in hopes of aiding the terrorists on the ground. Despite the treacherous relations between Israel and Russia the Israelis are rumored to have killed Russian troops in their attack on Palmyra. The Syrians claim to have shot down an Israeli jet. The next revenge from the axis of chaos was a veritable invasion of Syria by American Marines supposedly to battle ISIS in reality to seize huge sections of northern Syria. The Americans have been doing dangerous damage to Al Taqba damn which could cause severe flooding. At the same time the terrorists launched a major offensive in the province of Hama. They forced the SAA to retreat and seized a number of towns. The SAA succeeded in launching a major counter-offensive that caused the terrorists heavy casualties but the battle is far from over with the terrorists still having the strength to launch new offensives. This was the current situation when the terrorists launched their chemical weapons attack and the media launched their massive propaganda campaign. It should be noted that the media has ignored the many times the terrorists have used chemical weapons since 2013 targeting both the SAA and Kurdish forces. Now suddenly on cue the media pretend to care about the issue again solely for the purpose of justifying the war on Syria. It is disgusting absurd, tragic, horrifying.

   We can only hope that somehow this escalation of the war on Syria can be stopped. That Russia, Iran and Syria's other friends stand by Syria in this hour of desperate need. Every single one of us must do what we can to stop this war. To see Syria destroyed after her people have sacrificed so much to save her after she has given her sons and daughters mothers and fathers and brothers and sisters to defend the land is simply to heartbreaking to contemplate. I don't know what to do but we must all find some way to awaken the people to the horrifying tragedy that is about to occur. Sadly I just learned that the US has already begun it's attack. I am weeping with rage.

Death to the Empire of Chaos!
Long Live Syria!


Please spread the work of Leith Fadel, Eva Bartlett, Vanessa Beeley, Sharmine Narwani, Tim Anderson, Brandon Turbeville, and the most recent addition Syriana Analysis (On Youtube). Plus others i left out.  I was too emotional to do a good job today so you'll have to forgive me. Buy the books "The Dirty War on Syria" By Tim Anderson  "Resisting the Empire: The Plan to Destroy Syria" By Brandon Turbeville.

Mark Taliano Exposes the media lies about the attack

The Terrorist chemical weapons attack being used to justify war on Syria

Flashback to the earlier lies about chemical weapons from Michel Chossudovsky

Pepe Escobar offers proof ISIS was trained by Gen. Petraeus

A Grim Analysis of Syria's Future as a result of Moscow's idiotic diplomacy from before the war escalated

Monday, March 27, 2017

Interview: Ted Shackley and America's Hidden History

Hugo Turner on Ted Shackley: A Life in the CIA
March 27, 2017 02:50 AM PDT
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Hugo Turner joins Our Interesting Times for a discussion on his article "Ted Shackley: A Life in the CIA." We talk about the career of CIA agent Theodore Shackley and how the biography of the infamous spymaster provides a window into the intrigues of the Deep State and the secret history of the American Empire.
Hugo's website is Anti-Imperialist-U.
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Dr. Katherine Horton on Targeted Individuals and Psychopathy
March 23, 2017 02:40 AM PDT
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Dr. Katherine Horton joins Our Interesting Times to discuss her experience and research regarding electronic harassment, the phenomenon of targeted individuals and her work regarding psychopathology.
Dr. Horton was a research fellow at St. John's College, Oxford when she believes she became a target of British Intelligence. We talk about the various reasons why some people become targeted individuals and the psychopathology that afflicts modern world's economic, political and governmental institutions. Dr. Horton's website is
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Chris Kendall on Transgenderism, Identity Politics, Scientism and more
March 19, 2017 03:58 AM PDT
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Chris Kendall returns to Our Interesting Times to discuss several issues he has recently addressed on his weekly program Hoax Busters Call. Included in our discussion are the issues of transgenderism, identity politics, globalism, Scientism, media fakery cultural degradation and the broader topic of psychological warfare.
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James Perloff on Trump, the Sixties and the Purple Coup d'etat
March 14, 2017 03:10 AM PDT
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James Perloff returns to Our Interesting Times to discuss his article "Revisiting the Vietnam Era: Are Soros and the Deep State Updating an Old PSYOP to Depose Trump?"James reflects on his experiences as a hippie activist in the 1960's and we talk about how today's protests against Donald Trump, like the protests of the Sixties, are billionaire-funded.
James is the author of several books including Shadows of Power and Truth is a Lonely Warrior. His website is
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E. Michael Jones on Development Economics vs the Washington Consensus
March 09, 2017 03:28 AM PST

Tuesday, March 14, 2017

Hugo Turner: Deep Politics of Iran/Contra V.2

Hugo Turner
Iran/Contra, WACL, World War 3, and Studying Deep Politics

The following is an interview with Hugo Turner, a researcher with a passion for studying the covert operations of the 70's and 80's. We discussed his four part series on the history of the Iran-contra scandal. They can be found at his blog here: part Ipart IIpart IIIpart IV. This interview first appeared on his blog.
Our Hidden History interviewing Hugo Turner @hugoturner1969
The following is an interview with Hugo Turner, a researcher with a passion for studying the covert operations of the 70's and 80's. Unfortunately there were some technical difficulties with the recording but this transcript of the talk is available.
Hugo has reviewed the transcript and added to the text to provide more information.

Interviewer: We've got Hugo Turner here who has a blog called Anti-Imperialist U.

We are going to talk about the Iran-Contra affair and everything surrounding that. The fact is Iran-Contra was a lot more than just - maybe, people think of it as a little set of hearings and a little arms deal and a little war in Central America, but it's really a lot more. It directly touches everything from the Bay of Pigs to the Drug Wars of 1990s, but examining it root and branch takes you from about 1917 all the way to today.
Hugo wrote an amazing, four-part article that uses Iran-Contra as the center but lays out all of the events surrounding it - from the success of the Vietnamese people in getting the United States out of Vietnam through the end of the Cold War and right up to today. I really suggest people read it because there's a lot of really good stuff in there. There's a lot of stuff that I've never heard about. We'll also go over your sources because there was so much there that was new to me. So, it is a very interesting article.

Do you want to start out talking about what Iran-Contra was - the aspect the public is familiar with? Kind of how it got started, the scandal itself?

Hugo Turner: Yeah. The more well-known aspect of the scandal is that Reagan made a secret deal to sell arms to Iranians in exchange for the release of hostages. Then he diverted that money to fund the war in Nicaragua, which had been forbidden by Congress from funding in any way, direct or indirect. Then a plane crashed in Nicaragua and it was revealed. The Iranians were angry so, they leaked the story about that. That arms deal. They told Lebanese Newspaper and it was a huge scandal. The media tried to focus just on that one question of how much money was diverted? Did Reagan know? Trying to keep people from seeing the bigger picture of the long history from Cuba to Vietnam that proceeded the whole scandal that was all closely linked into it. Then you have Daniel Sheehan who’s the person who tried to expose more of the deep history of the Iran-Contra affair. He was  the Jim Garrison of the '80s (Who attempted to prosecute the deep state for their role in the murder of JFK) because Sheehan tried to take George Bush and all his CIA friends and have them tried as the gangsters they were. Obviously, it didn’t go well. George H.W. Bush became president in 1988. Sheehan and the Christic institute were ordered to pay 1 million dollars in damages.

Interviewer: How did you become interested in this scandal?

Hugo Turner: Well I remembered it from childhood it was my first hint that the government was involved in all sorts of sinister stuff behind our backs. Actually before the scandal even broke one of my most vivid childhood memories was being taken by my parents to hear a priest and some nuns describe their torture and mock execution in El Salvador while the CIA looked on. Later I would discover after years of drug war propaganda as an 80's kid that all along the Reagan Administration had been involved in drug smuggling. However my renewed interest was inspired by learning about the the Sheehan investigation.

Interviewer:  Talk about that a little bit because Mr. Sheehan actually has a lot of interesting talks on YouTube. The Christic case was something that I had not really heard of at the time, but he kind of really did dig into this group of people that were involved in the Iran-Contra scandal and investigate their careers going all the way back to the 1950s. Do you want to talk a little bit about his case and kind of what he was looking at, some of the people, and what he found?

Hugo Turner: Yeah. Well, to the public the main figure would be Oliver North. But according to Sheehan the central figure  would be Theodore G. Shackley. The reason Sheehan went after this guy is because he had been the CIA's Chief of Station in Miami during the JFK assassination. Sheehan had learned about the JFK assassination during the Watergate era because he had worked for this law firm that represented Santo Trafficante, who was the son of this Cuban gangster. His father had gotten in control of the mob in Cuba for like 30 or 40 years before Castro kicked him out.

Interviewer: Right, right, right. The CIA was all working with them at the time.

Hugo Turner: Theodore G. Shackley was in Miami and he trained his army of Cuban exiles, to try to overthrow the government or at least wage a terrorist bombing campaign and try to assassinate Castro. This was after the initial Bay of Pigs failed. They tried a second operation called Operation Mongoose. They brought in Special Forces, trained these Cubans, and these same Cubans were involved in Watergate, drug dealing, Terrorism, dirty wars, and then Iran-Contra. People like Felix Rodriguez, Louis Posada Carriles and Rafel "Chi Chi" Quintero.

Interviewer: Yeah. Those were all those guys that were just the same set of people see involved in Iran-Contra and even Watergate, right? What Sheehan called "The Secret Team"?

Hugo Turner: Yeah. They would all work with Shackley. They followed him. From there, Shackley moved to Laos and the CIA guys like Thomas Clines and Cuban exiles from Miami like Felix Rodriguez  followed him there. Then in Laos he was working with the drug dealing Laotian generals and also these tribesman, the Hmomg, who were kind of this indigenous people there that lived in the hills and were excellent at Guerilla warfare and were recruited to be in a "secret army" (secret only to the US public)  in  exchange their general Vang Pao Got to get super rich off the heroin trade. The same CIA agents that had smuggled drugs and waged a terror campaign in first Cuba and then Laos and Vietnam were the same people were recruited to run the Iran-Contra operation, which also involved drugs.
The Cuban operation also involved drugs because of the Santo Trafficante thing. This actually evolved out of an even earlier generation of the OSS/OPC/CIA in   Asia, during World War II and after World War II with the OSS and Operation Paper Clip and this massive heroin smuggling ring that had gone back before the war, basically. It's like 50 years of "deep  history". Drug dealing, arms dealing, the mafia, all leading up to Iran-Contra. Then you could go into the future.
Looking back from our era, you could see that what I call World War 4 (aka the War on Drugs, aka the War on Terror, Cold War 2.0 all different names for what The Pentagon calls "The Long War") World War 4 grew out of the Iran-Contra era. The same players were involved in creating what would later be called Al Qaeda and in the massive heroin smuggling operation being run by the CIA out of Afghanistan.
You can see the Origins of the war in Ukraine for example brought on in part through WACL (The World Anti-Communist League a bunch of fascist terrorists, gangsters, and death squads) which was also deeply involved in the Iran-Contra affair raising funds for the Nicaraguan Contras (Counter-Revolutionaries) and similar groups like UNITA, the Afghan  Mujahideen. As You can see the connections go on and on.
That's why I like studying the Iran-Contra affair, basically. Syria today is in many ways a replay of what happened to Afghanistan and Nicaragua in the 1980's.

Interviewer: Yeah. Well, that's what's really interesting about the way that you set it up because you used it to tie so much of recent US history together. Iran-Contra was just a tiny little tip of the iceberg of what people saw but there was a lot going on under the surface. For instance, you just mentioned WACL - the World Anti-Communist League - which didn't pop up in the hearings I don't think, but was very important to the period. You see them in this kind of worldwide movement that linked all of these far-right dictatorships in South America and Asia. You wrote a ton about this. You wrote two big articles (here and here). Can you talk a little bit about their history and how they were tied into Iran-Contra?

Hugo Turner: You can see the roots of WACL actually, going back to World War I basically, when the white Russians, which are were their era's contra forces opposing the communists. They lose and they were sort of proto-facist. This isn't really talked about today, but they're the ones that came up with much of what would become the Nazi Ideology. Like the idea that the Jews were behind the Bolshevik Revolution. The Czars ruled thru divide and conquer and thru terror campaigns. They incited Pogroms against the Jews and other minorities and massacres against rebelling workers and peasants using these proto-fascists death squads called the "Black Hundreds" especially during and after the failed 1905 Revolution in Russia. They were the ones that actually gave the, the Nazis a lot of their ideas. It was the Czars secret police who created  The Protocols of Zion plagiarized from a French satire on the regime of Napoleon the III. During the Russian Civil War when 14 western countries tried to crush the Russian revolution they used these "white" Russian proto-fascists as foot soldiers they murdered millions of people and caused incredible destruction but were finally beaten by the Red Army.
Later Hitler recruited these people so did the western imperialists like  Britain, France and the US. They were used to wage covert war and run propaganda campaigns vilifying the communists. To name one famous example, Alfred Rosenberg, the Nazis chief "racial theorist and ideologue" was one of these "white Russians"  from the Baltic (although ethnically German) who had been forced to flee the Revolution.  British super spy Sidney Reilly  recruited these fascists into his World Anti-Bolshevik League. Later Hitler created an Anti-Comintern Pact, which united the fascists of Central Europe and the world. During the war they would create fascist death squads like the Ukrainian OUN-B and the Croatian Ustashi that committed horrific atrocities and genocidal mass murder through out Eastern Europe.

Then after the war, the US just sort of absorbed the Anti-Comintern Pact and eventually transformed it into WACL, which is like a worldwide fascist movement. In Asia it was named APACL: the South Koreans, the South Vietnamese, the Taiwanese. They're the official backers. They were also deeply involved in the global heroin traffic. Then you also have the ABN made up of Ukrainians, the Croatians, all these people that escaped - at the end of World War II, escaped the war crimes trials thanks to the OSS, CIC OPC and CIA and went to work for Americans, waging war on the Soviet Union. In Ukraine, for example, the CIA and the Nazi Gehlen Org backed the OUN-B in a covert war involving terrorism, mass murder and assassination that lasted until 1952.
While the CIA was busy driving the world into a panic over the the nonexistent threat of a Russian invasion they were secretly waging covert war on the Soviet Union and China. A typical example of imperial hypocrisy and the power of propaganda since to this day few realized that it was America that was the aggressor during World War 3 not the Soviets. There was also a Latin American Branch - CAL - made up of fascist death squads in places like Guatemala, Bolivia, and El Salvador.

Fast forward to 1980 during the election, WACL was one of the forces that put Ronald Reagan into office. They do illegal campaign fundraising in Guatemala and other WACL countries. Their friends are releasing propaganda in Italy, framing Carter's brother for being in bed with Gaddafi. All sorts of dirty tricks like the infamous October Surprise whereby the Reagan Campaign got the Iranians to agree not to release the American Hostages before the election and in fact to wait until the day of Reagan's Inauguration. Once Reagan gets into power, he totally empowers these WACL forces and goes and speaks in front of them, has his picture taken with Ukrainian fascists and announced "Your Dream is Our Dream" meaning the destruction of the Soviet Union and the return of the fascist exiles to their home countries. Of course it was George HW Bush who really ran things during the Reagan Era.

As we all know, the Soviet Union did fall and then these people went in and took over. That is why today there is fascists governments in Croatia, Ukraine, and the Baltic states. Because during the Cold War, the CIA kept all these forces active through WACL. Alive, influential, well-funded. The children joined up and it's just like, a multi-generational fascist conspiracy that amazingly few people know about considering that WACL is undoubtedly one of the most sinister and scandalous groups ever created. It's also involved with drug dealing, arms dealing, it's members included Apartheid South Africa, Fascist Argentina, the Death Squads of Guatemala and El Salvador. The drug dealing Cuban exiles were also members. These are the WACL countries and strangely, Israel was an ally with the top seven WACL countries. Argentina, South Africa, Taiwan, Saudi Arabia, and Guatemala.

Interviewer: They were everywhere, including Israeli Special Forces in Central America. It really was a world-wide phenomenon. There was no geographical center to it. There was no place untouched by these groups.

Hugo Turner: Yes Israel played a far greater role in both Africa and Latin America then is generally realized they helped train central american death squads and even sent the infamous Mossad Mercenary Michael Harari "The Master of Disaster" to train Medellin Cartel death squads in how to wage a massive terror campaign in Colombia.

As for WACL They would all meet together and they'd have a huge conference of all these terrorists, gangsters, all the fascist people of the world. Also invited would be with these "respectable" conservative politicians from the west like Ronald Reagan who never met a fascist he didn't like. They'd all meet together and it was just this great dirty little secret of the Cold War that nobody talked about.

Interviewer: Were these public meetings?

Hugo Turner: Yeah, and after the Cold War they just changed their name to something about freedom democracy instead of World Anti-Communist League. Now they are the World League for Freedom and Democracy. But they do they did the same things as always. They’re still backing the war in Ukraine for example. They are lobbying to have the Waffen SS declared national heroes all over Europe.

Interviewer: So, this still exists?

Hugo Turner: Oh, yeah.

Interviewer: Oh, okay. There's an organization now that's kind of the extension of WACL?

Hugo Turner: Yeah. I forget what the new name is. It's in the article it's something like World League for  Freedom and Democracy, something like that.

Interviewer: It's an interesting article. People should read it. You've just got so much in here. So many names, so many connections. You're really extending out what Iran-Contra is. You really get a whole history of - like you said, the last 100 years. I saw you were really careful about listing all your sources, which is really cool. Do you want to talk about some of the sources for where you found some of this information and how you put it all together?

Hugo Turner: Oh. Well, one of my favorites of course is Peter Dale Scott. He's a major influence on me. He taught literature at Berkley and in his spare time he would write these essays on parapolitics and deep politics. Everything he says is confirmed by at least three sources. He deals with what he calls deep politics, but the media calls it "conspiracy theory" basically. The history of how corporate power, the underworld, and the intelligence agencies are all working together behind the scenes. How the world as we are conditioned to see it by the corporate media and much of academia is a facade. He writes about the world that's going on behind the scenes the world of spies, gangsters corrupt businessman, lobbyists, politicians. The forces that lie behind deep events like the Kennedy Assassination, Watergate, Iran/Contra, and 9/11. I recommend his Deep Politics and the Death of JFKAmerican War MachineThe Road to 9/11, and The Deep State.

I first heard about WACL in his book on the Iran-Contra affair called The Iran-Contra Connection: Secret Teams and Covert Operations In the Reagan Era which he co-wrote with Jonathan Marshall and Jane Hunter, (who also wrote a great book on Israel called Israeli Foreign Policy: South Africa and Central America). Dave Emory and Nip Tuck also did a great series of radio shows during the '80s on the Iran-Contra affair and WACL. He helped me see an expanded version of Iran/Contra like how this relates to the shooting of the Pope and all the other crazy stuff  that happened around this time.

Interviewer: Talk a little more because Dave Emory, he is One of the great researchers

Hugo Turner: Dave Emory is a researcher and radio show host who is still going strong. He's probably the worlds leading expert on fascism from it's origins to the present day. I discovered him thanks to a friend and fellow researcher @arrghshell.  Dave Emory was a disciple of Mae Brussell, who's a legendary conspiracy researcher. He was covering all these people before the Iran/Contra scandal publicly broke in the fall of 1986 because Mae Brussell’s was obsessed with Ed Wilson, Theodore Shackley, and Ed Clines and other players in the scandal long before the Iran-Contra scandal broke. They were following the Ed Wilson scandal and these other interlocking scandals like the failed assassination attempt on the Pope by the Turkish Grey Wolves group which the Reagan Administration tried to blame on the Soviets.
In Dave Emory's archive series he provides an excellent history of CIA and military involvement in drug trafficking. He talks about and reads from classic books like The Politics of Heroin in Southeast Asia and The Great Heroin Coup. Another great series was on the history of fascism in America which saw a surge in the 1980's just like today and he talks about all the crazy stuff that's going on during the 70's and 80's in Italy and the middle east which was Italy's own version of Iran-Contra involving drug smuggling and weapons dealing. There's like a whole Italian Iran-Contra scandal thing that was connected to the GLADIO the P2 Masonic lodge and the Vatican,  all sorts of crazy scandals that were going on there with funding terrorism, arms dealing, drug dealing in Europe. Forgotten scandals like SITBAM.

He also covered the Iran-Contra scandal itself including the original "Pizzagate" scandal involving mafia heroin dealing out of chains of East Coast pizza places.  It's like a much wider ranging view of the Iran-Contra scandal. Of course Iran/Contra is only a small part of what he discusses. He's also done great work on 9/11 but is best known for his encyclopedic knowledge of fascism from 1917 to today and  what he calls the "Underground Reich" - the postwar fascist movement who's important role in recent history have been completely suppressed because America's love affair with fascism around the world completely discredits the Cold War rhetoric that America was fighting for freedom and democracy. With the war in Ukraine heating up again and of course with the grim rise of Trump now is the time to check into Emory's decades of research available free on his website.

Another of my favorite sources is of course, Doug Valentine. He's the worlds leading expert on the CIA. He also wrote books about the DEA. His books include The Phoenix Program which he wrote by conning his way into the confidence of former CIA director William Colby who vouched for and introduced Valentine to scores of CIA and military people who told him far more then they should have resulting in the definitive book on the CIA in Vietnam.
His next books,  The Strength of the Wolf and Strength of the Pack, were based on a series of interviews with these old DEA agents and agents of the FBN and BNDD it's predecessors. Their story about what was really going on is wonderfully shocking. They weren't allowed to go after the top drug dealers who invariably turned out to be working for the CIA. It's about how how it was all totally politicized. Some people were allowed to deal drugs, like the "nationalist" Chinese KMT or the Nicaraguan Contras while the government blamed their enemies "Red China" or Sandinista Nicaragua for the drug  problem.
The war on drugs was also completely racist, too. They would only bust small time blacks and latinos for drug dealing and leave the big time white gangsters alone, usually. Doug Valentine has a new book out called the CIA as Organized Crime. I recommend people actually start with this book because it provides a great introduction to his previous work although it is also packed with new information for people like me who've already read his earlier work. For example there is a great discussion of the relationship to the CIA and Media as well as the best discussion I have read about what is going on in Afghanistan.

Interviewer: Yeah. His Phoenix Program book is really good. There's so much about these mafia connections and how the CIA uses criminal elements in their operations. That's a really great book. You listed Killing Hope by William Blum too. How is that one?

Hugo Turner: If you want to get one book that will tell, in short chapters, many of the coups and covert  wars that took place during the Cold War - a lot of which are totally forgotten - that's a good book to get. American foreign policy works because people are focused on the latest things. They always have "a really good reason" why we need to invade and occupy some country thousands of miles away. We're going in to "help people" to bring freedom and democracy preserve human rights.  Or alternately some tiny country like Nicaragua or Grenada is portrayed as a danger not only to the United States but the entire region. It would be laughable if people didn't fall for the same lies again and again leading to millions of deaths, untold destruction, and misery. They want you to forget everything you know about the past and no, this time it's going to be different. It's about democracy. It's about freedom. If you read a book like William Blum's where you just read about these different interventions, one after another, you realize this has nothing to do with democracy. Obviously since most  of them involves overthrowing democracy and installing  right-wing dictators and helping them wage war on their people. There have been over 70 of these coups and covert wars. Even his book is not a complete list. It doesn’t have Argentina in there. He doesn’t have Mexico and he doesn’t have other stuff, but he manages to cover 56 different coups and covert operations - more if you count the repeating coups in some countries. If you wanted one book that would tell you about all these different covert wars and coups, that's the one to get.

Another book that I highly recommend for understanding US foreign Policy is Predatory States: Operation Condor and Covert War in Latin America  by J. Patrice McSherry who is one of the most brilliant and courageous scholars I have ever read. It tells the horrifying story of the interlocking fascist dictatorships the US set up trained and indoctrinated in their cold war "National Security Doctrine" which trained the military intelligence and police to view their own people as the enemy and to wage a brutal campaign of kidnapping, torture, and assassination that lead tens of thousands to suffer very ugly deaths often after months of torture. She also connects operation condor to the Phoenix program and even Operation GLADIO which most scholars would rather pretend didn't exist. I also highly recommend her book Incomplete Transition: Military Power and Democracy in Argentina which provides a history of the country from the turn of the century thru the dirty war and junta period into the 1990's. It provides fascinating information on the links to GLADIO, fascism and "false flag terror" as the alt-media calls it.

Interviewer: Nice. Oh, and you listed a Sibel Edmonds interview I'm interested in. You said it dealt with Iran-Contra, 9/11, and much more. You want to talk a little bit about what's in that one? I'll put a link to some of this stuff.

Hugo Turner: Sibel Edmonds was recruited as a translator by the FBI and she quickly discovered the whole war on terrorism was complete fraud. Of course, America is protecting these terrorist groups and the Turkish lobby today is like the "China lobby" of the 50's. They are funneling all these heroin profits from Afghanistan to buy members of congress. She tried to blow the whistle on the fact that the CIA is basically protecting al-Qaida and they silenced her and she wasn't allowed to talk. Then the press did cover her, but they only covered that she wasn't allowed to talk and they weren't interested at all about what she had to reveal. She did a series of interviews with this alt  media guy, James Corbett where she tells everything that she wasn't supposed to tell. She introduces the world to the concept of GLADIO B as the FBI secretly began calling Al Qaeda. In the mid-90's the CIA Switched from supporting the fascist grey wolves to supporting the muslim brotherhood and Al Qaeda. Watching her GLADIO B interviews give you an entire account from inside the FBI where the war on terror and the war on drugs are revealed to be a complete farce.

Interviewer: She was a translator in the FBI, translating?

Hugo Turner: Yeah she translated Turkish and Farsi for the FBI. Because these FBI guys don’t know anything about the Middle East and she grew up in Iran, and Turkey she became actually, more of an analyst. They'd come to her with info and ask "what does this mean?" She knows way more about it than they did, so she became an analyst too. That's why she knows so much because everyone was coming to her, like can you explain what's going on? She met with these - different FBI guys across the country trying to put away these al-Qaida guys, or their backers and every time they're about to move in, the State Department (fronting for CIA) would call 15 minutes ahead of time and call off the raid.

Interviewer: She grew up in Iran and she was an analyst there. She was basically saying when the FBI will go find some al-Qaida members, they would end up letting them go or something, right?

Hugo Turner: Yeah. They weren't allowed to pursue these people. The funders of Al Qaeda the rich Saudis and the NATO intelligence people. They weren't allowed to pursue them because they're just a tool of our government basically.

Interviewer: Right. And that's what we see going on in Syria today, right?

Hugo Turner: Well, yeah. In Syria we're funding al-Qaida to try to overthrow the Syrian government. Thankfully Russia intervened and the tide of war was turned , but if they hadn't Syria would have ended up like Libya. Libya complete is currently in chaos because it's ruled by al-Qaeda death squads that NATO bombed into power. Our "first black president" green lit a war that involved attempted genocide of darker skinned Libyans. The vast majority of the people there supported Gaddafi's government. Libya was a form of direct democracy known as the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya the people received free housing, education, and health care along with a cut of the oil revenues. It had the highest standard of living in Africa. NATO decided to destroy everything and they used Al Qaeda as foot soldiers backed by NATO special forces and a massive bombing campaign. NATO killed between 250,000 and 450,000 and reduced the country to a chaotic failed state.  Currently there's a Green resistance movement to bring back Libya to how it was before the war but almost nobody knows about it. My friend Alexandra Valiente is one of the only independent sources of news on whats going I did some interviews with her on the topic people should check out. Also visit her sites Jamahiriya news, Viva Libya, Libya 360, and Syria 360.

Interviewer: I want to kind of read this list of wars that you have in the article. You call the Cold War "World War III". Why do you call it that?

Hugo Turner: Because from the American perspective it's a Cold War because as long as the nuclear weapons don’t go off and nothing happens to them, it's like we're not at war. For the rest of the world, millions of people are being killed all over the planet, it's was a world war. From a third world perspective, it's World War III. Not just some Cold War that could have happened but never happened. It did happen. It was a very hot war in Korea, Vietnam, Angola, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Korea, and all these different places.

Interviewer: I'll read some of these on this list you've got. Just in the 1980's alone, there's the war in Nicaragua, you have the Iran-Iraq War. The war in Lebanon, Uganda...

Hugo Turner: Yeah, the Iran-Iraq war was an important backdrop to the Iran-Contra affair which also helped pave the way for the three wars the US has waged on the Iraqis.

Interviewer: El Salvador. Yeah, Iran/Iraq War. That's huge. A million people died in that war.

You listed just practically every country Latin American Country from Mexico to the tip of South America that basically had a "dirty war" going on inside of it. Then you mentioned Israel, Palestine, Lebanon - kind of similar to what was going on now. Do you want to talk a little bit about that?

Hugo Turner: Like today the Middle East was the scene of huge wars. There was an attempt to destroy Syria during the 1980's They tried the same thing that they are doing now with the Muslim brotherhood instead of al-Qaida. They tried to start a sectarian war. But fortunately Hafez al-Assad crushed it. Syria was also battling Israel in Lebanon the scene of a viscous civil war thats way to complex to go into here. Then There's  the Iran/Iraq War where the US is giving weapons and advice to both sides. They kill each other and a million people died there, with softened up Iraq for the later Persian Gulf War and the Iraq Invasion and now we're in like, a third Iraq War.
In Africa, there was the war in Angola where Cuba was fighting against South Africa and the US, to try to preserve the newly liberated country from becoming a puppet of apartheid South Africa. South Africa trying to impose its death squad  forces called Unita. In Mozambique there was Renamo, who was just like the Contras too, and waging a dirty war on the revolutionary government of Mozambique. Basically the Reagan Era massively expands these types of wars. There were like at least 40 wars going on during the '80s.

Interviewer: Wow. Then it is very fitting to call it World War III. Well, it's really interesting, all this stuff you put together here. Is there anything else you want to talk about? I mean, you really covered so much here -  you've even got a part about the pre-Civil War in the United States: "The Negro Comrades of the Crown". What's that about?

Hugo Turner: Yes the US had it's own proto-fascist death squads called "Copperheads" before the civil war even started who went around lynching anyone daring to question slavery. After the Civil War there were the KKK and similar groups fascist paramilitary movements that waged war on blacks and progressives. America's home grown fascism that also became incorporated into WACL. It was racist segregationists who often staffed the infamous house un-American activities committees.

People can also checkout my site Anti-Imperialist U where  I study history from a radical perspective. Also, from the perspective of deep politics. I try and combine those two kinds of world views. Gerald Horn is great - if anyone reads wants to read some black history I highly recommend they check out his work. Gerald Horne has written these great books about the true origin of America. How the colonists  rebelled because they were worried Britain might abolish slavery basically. It was actually all done in defense of slavery.  So much for freedom and democracy. I would definitely recommend him. This guy is a genius, he's super prolific. He's written like 20 books. Check out his "Counter-Revolution of 1776" and "Negro Comrades of The Crown"

Interviewer: He's alive now and writing?

Hugo Turner: He's written like 20 books. And is still writing more. I wrote an article on his counter revolution of 1776. You can find that on my site or search for the great lectures he did on YouTube as well.

Interviewer: Oh, okay. Cool. Cool. I'll post the links to that stuff, too. That sounds great. How often can people expect to find a new article on your site?

Hugo Turner: Ideally, I write once every week or two. I usually take winter off so I can recharge because I try to read a book a week, write an article a week on current events or history and by the end of the year I'm usually a bit burnt out, or whatever. I've also started taking more time with my history articles. Like the Iran-Contra thing took like three weeks for each one. It just depends. I'm on vacation but I'll be back to work soon.

Interviewer: They're really amazing.

Hugo Turner: A lot of the stuff that inspired me to start my site is stuff that you've collected together on your site. Stuff like John Stockwell, Philip Agee, Michael Parenti, and Alternative Views this great show from the 80's and 90's we're both fans of so I'd also like to plug your OurHiddenHistory YouTube channel.

Interviewer: Thanks for saying that. Stockwell, Agee, Parenti, Alternative Views - those are definitely some people to try and live up to. Amazing.

Hugo Turner: John Stockwell is the one who came up with calling the Cold War "World War III" because it was a war on the third world, actually. National Security types people actually called it World War III, too. They loved calling it that and the fascist types in Argentina loved calling it World War III, the War of Ideologies. A global war. A war without boundaries.

Interviewer: Right, right. The war of civilizations and all this shit. That's what the power elite wants us to be engaged in today.

Well, cool, Hugo. Thanks for doing this. And once again, your work is really something that people have to check out.

Hugo Turner: Thank you for this interview.

Interviewer: No, definitely. I'll hopefully get it up soon and try to cut some - the links into it and try to make something. Hopefully get a couple more people over to your site because you really do a good job, man. It's cool that you're doing all this stuff.

Hugo Turner: Thanks a lot.



Our Hidden History Archive
Doug Valentine's Site
Recordings of Doug Valentine's Phoenix Program interviews
Peter Dale Scott Archive

Dave Emory's Site Spitfire List
Dave Emory's Anti Fascist Archives

Sibel Edmonds: Interviews collected on Libya 360 or search for "Sibel Edmonds Gladio B" on YouTube

Sibel Edmonds runs her own independent media site

Alexandra Valiente runs Jamahiriya News Agency and other sites

William Blum Author of Killing Hope
@arrghshell has a great blog/podcast

And of course you can find Hugo's work at Anti-Imperialist U
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Written by OurHiddenHistory on Friday March 3, 2017
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